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[Chris V.]

Ford sucks ass because I spent 10 years in the service industry and I have found that they will design a car then go get a monkey with down syndrome to screw everything up. For example: The '98 gen. Taurus with the 3L - They put the oil filter <1" away from the power wire going to the starter, and inevitably the jackass who did the previous oil change cranked the filter down until it wouldn't move, so you need some kind of tool to get the thing off, then you slip and it archs the starter with the customer watching you thinking 'I just wanted and oil change and now there is sparks flying from my car'. The first gen. Focus - you need a beer bong to add washer fluid. A '95 gen Cougar you can't get to the right side spark plugs because of all the steel tubing. The list goes on. I guess if you never have to pop the hood, Ford is OK, If you do- God help you.

 

I've worked on thousands of cars from pretty much every major manufacturer and some you've never heard of. I've owned over a hundred cars, from most major manufacturers worldwide, from old Fords to Porsche's, from old Datsuns to Range Rovers. I've seen bizzare little engineering issues that can make repairs interesting with EVERY brand of car, in every era. Wanna have fun? Work on the parking brakes on a Jaguar XJ6. Answer why BMWs uses crappy plastic end tanks on tehir radiators on their $80k top of the line models that won't last 50k miles. Same with crappy plastic expansion tanks for the cooling systems that don't last any longer than that, either. Work on Chevy's and mopars that you have to pull the spark plugs out from the BOTTOM due to not enough room to get past the exhaust manifolds from the top. I can list stuff like this for American, German, Japanese, French, Italian, and Swedish cars. If you think only Ford engineers for the bottom line, youre wrong. They ALL do. And never, NEVER blame the manufacturer for what some ham-fisted previous mechanic/owner did wrong, like you have here.

 

[2007DBR9]

I have to say, the old Ford Capri I used to have was a horrible car. It never worked without fault for more than a month, servicing was a nightmare, and too many screws were in places a normal screwdriver can't reach!

 

Some very stupid ideas made it in to that car. The Cavalier was the exact opposite, everything was where it should have been and it was very easy to work on.

[bfeeney]

I've worked on thousands of cars from pretty much every major manufacturer and some you've never heard of. I've owned over a hundred cars, from most major manufacturers worldwide, from old Fords to Porsche's, from old Datsuns to Range Rovers. I've seen bizzare little engineering issues that can make repairs interesting with EVERY brand of car, in every era. Wanna have fun? Work on the parking brakes on a Jaguar XJ6. Answer why BMWs uses crappy plastic end tanks on tehir radiators on their $80k top of the line models that won't last 50k miles. Same with crappy plastic expansion tanks for the cooling systems that don't last any longer than that, either. Work on Chevy's and mopars that you have to pull the spark plugs out from the BOTTOM due to not enough room to get past the exhaust manifolds from the top. I can list stuff like this for American, German, Japanese, French, Italian, and Swedish cars. If you think only Ford engineers for the bottom line, youre wrong. They ALL do. And never, NEVER blame the manufacturer for what some ham-fisted previous mechanic/owner did wrong, like you have here.

 

I haven't worked on many Jag's, but with the U.S. cars you have to admit some are better than others. It just seems like out of the big three Ford wants to make it so hard to do simple things on your own that you have to send it to the dealer and get raped. Granted GM and Dodge has their faults, but it seems like Ford has a disporportionate amount of flaws.

[Chris V.]

I haven't worked on many Jag's, but with the U.S. cars you have to admit some are better than others. It just seems like out of the big three Ford wants to make it so hard to do simple things on your own that you have to send it to the dealer and get raped. Granted GM and Dodge has their faults, but it seems like Ford has a disporportionate amount of flaws.

 

 

I've never found that to be true, and I've worked on quite a few of each, including my own Fords (though I will admit, I never did anything but oil changes on the SVT, as it never, in the years I had it, ever had anything go wrong on it).

 

Wanna talk about a tough bit of engineering? The starter for my Lexus V8 is under the intake manifold at the rear, and if you have a starter issue, you have to remove the entire intake, injection, and hard lines to get to it. Brilliant!

[bfeeney]

I've never found that to be true, and I've worked on quite a few of each, including my own Fords (though I will admit, I never did anything but oil changes on the SVT, as it never, in the years I had it, ever had anything go wrong on it).

 

Wanna talk about a tough bit of engineering? The starter for my Lexus V8 is under the intake manifold at the rear, and if you have a starter issue, you have to remove the entire intake, injection, and hard lines to get to it. Brilliant!

So are we agreeing that every manufacture hires retarded monkeys to make a car?

[Elite_Deforce]

I've never found that to be true, and I've worked on quite a few of each, including my own Fords (though I will admit, I never did anything but oil changes on the SVT, as it never, in the years I had it, ever had anything go wrong on it).

 

Wanna talk about a tough bit of engineering? The starter for my Lexus V8 is under the intake manifold at the rear, and if you have a starter issue, you have to remove the entire intake, injection, and hard lines to get to it. Brilliant!

Can I have a list of the cars you've owned to take to the bathroom with?

 

So are we agreeing that every manufacture hires retarded monkeys to make a car?

No no no...... just Toyota, anything British, and an Audi A4. :lol:

[2007DBR9]

and an Audi A4. :lol:

 

Just as well they make the Wankel engines with parts where you would expect them - especially the oil filler cap seeing as you have to top it up so often. And the petrol cap for that matter...

 

:lol:

[Elite_Deforce]

Just as well they make the Wankel engines with parts where you would expect them - especially the oil filler cap seeing as you have to top it up so often. And the petrol cap for that matter...

 

:lol:

So you admit it's well designed?

 

(for the record, I average 22 U.S. MPG [something like 25 i guess?] and oil additions are key to what makes apex seals NOT BREAK [WHICH MINE HAVE YET TO])

 

PS: If my experience serves me well enough as it should have, the next thing on the list that drinks the most oil from a Wankel is a VW.

Edited February 4, 2010 by Elite_Deforce

[2007DBR9]

So you admit it's well designed?

 

(for the record, I average 22 U.S. MPG [something like 25 i guess?] and oil additions are key to what makes apex seals NOT BREAK [WHICH MINE HAVE YET TO])

 

PS: If my experience serves me well enough as it should have, the next thing on the list that drinks the most oil from a Wankel is a VW.

 

You got me there

 

Well I average 45 mpg (UK gallons, you can work out what that is in US gallons!). V6 TDI FTW :lol:

 

My oil burner (irony's a bitch...) has had oil changed every 6 ish months, and I have never needed to add any

[Chris V.]

So are we agreeing that every manufacture hires retarded monkeys to make a car?

 

No, just every manufacturer hires engineers that never, ever have to work on their own designs...

 

On my BMW, the radiator is something that shoudl rarely break, yet it takes about 2 minutes and a flat blade screwdriver to get it out. (good thing because it turns out BMW radiators DO need repair often). But the in cabin air filters for the HVAC, that are supposed to get regular servicing? To get the passenger side one out requires disassembling the entire right under dash area, after dancing in a candlelit circle with chicken boood on your hands while chanting to the bavarian gods for assistance.

[Elite_Deforce]

You got me there

 

Well I average 45 mpg (UK gallons, you can work out what that is in US gallons!). V6 TDI FTW :lol:

 

My oil burner (irony's a bitch...) has had oil changed every 6 ish months, and I have never needed to add any

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-Your car isn't 24 years old, you're car isn't infamous for having poor economy, you're car is reciprocating, you're car is diesel, you're car is not driven in north america. I'd be surprised to see an A4 get 30 imperial combined here.

-TDI is the exception.

 

No, just every manufacturer hires engineers that never, ever have to work on their own designs...

 

On my BMW, the radiator is something that shoudl rarely break, yet it takes about 2 minutes and a flat blade screwdriver to get it out. (good thing because it turns out BMW radiators DO need repair often). But the in cabin air filters for the HVAC, that are supposed to get regular servicing? To get the passenger side one out requires disassembling the entire right under dash area, after dancing in a candlelit circle with chicken boood on your hands while chanting to the bavarian gods for assistance.

That's because your car was built when BMW didn't have a swollen asshole.

Edited February 4, 2010 by Elite_Deforce

[2007DBR9]

you're car isn't infamous for having poor economy

 

Now I can quote you on that when we go into the Audi vs world arguments in every thread

 

The diesels are very good engines, the fuel economy would probably be better in North America than it is here.

 

Have you seen our roads?

Edited February 4, 2010 by Elite_Deforce

[Elite_Deforce]

Now I can quote you on that when we go into the Audi vs world arguments in every thread

 

The diesels are very good engines, the fuel economy would probably be better in North America than it is here.

 

Have you seen our roads?

-What are you talking about?

-I highly, deeply, doubt that.

-Have you seen ours?

[2007DBR9]

-What are you talking about?

-I highly, deeply, doubt that.

-Have you seen ours?

 

- Haha I thought that said reliability! Oops!

 

- Why? Over here you are always slowing down and accelerating back up to speed again which wastes fuel.

 

- Some, not all!

[Wally]

No no no...... just Toyota, anything British, and an Audi A4. :lol:

 

I've gotta say I find Toyota engineering very satisfactory. I haven't owned a qaudzillion cars and haven't swung a spanner on more than a moderate amount of them either, I haven't even owned a Toyota, but the experience I have had with them solicits more of "that's a good idea" than "wot tha feck". I think you are being a bit hard on the Brits...that's my job; Audi A4.. well Audi made the Quattro and that is legend and I can't help but feel Audi is where Ford want to be.