Wally Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 No big deal about the new 5.0 V8 from Ford, but luckily for us the Falcon will be getting a supercharged version from June, so it can stay up there with the Holden HSV ~325kW models. One variant is possibly a 350kW in a handling options model. The bad news is a persistent threat the Oz Falcon will be no more in a few years as Ford moves in with the Mustang and Taurus platforms. They will inevitably replace the superior straight six turbo grunter with the ecoboost and god help us if they decide on FWD. One of the tradeoffs is that at least the Mustang might benefit from the IRS global rear wheeled drive system of the FG falcon. Going to be some pretty unhappy Ford diehards if the Falcon becomes the bitch to a Mustang or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris V. Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 No big deal about the new 5.0 V8 from Ford, but luckily for us the Falcon will be getting a supercharged version from June, so it can stay up there with the Holden HSV ~325kW models. One variant is possibly a 350kW in a handling options model. The bad news is a persistent threat the Oz Falcon will be no more in a few years as Ford moves in with the Mustang and Taurus platforms. They will inevitably replace the superior straight six turbo grunter with the ecoboost and god help us if they decide on FWD. One of the tradeoffs is that at least the Mustang might benefit from the IRS global rear wheeled drive system of the FG falcon. Going to be some pretty unhappy Ford diehards if the Falcon becomes the bitch to a Mustang or worse. The Falcon is too far removed from the rest of the Ford world and too reliant upon the Australian market for it to exist as a wholly-unique model beyond the current generation - unique platform, unique six-cylinder engine, unique configuration of the modular V8, unique automatic transmission, and so on. Developing the new Falcon/Mustang/taurus to exist on a flexible shared platform to provide RWD or AWD for individual markets and trim levels is a better way to go, as is sharing a couple engine families. the Ecoboost V6 is a much more powerful engine package with better packaging/weight balance for the Falcon. The 5.0 is already, as I mentioned elswhere over 450 hp with just a chip tune, and 500 N/A hp is quite possible from the engine without opening it up. "Ford says, rather than beginning the end of the Falcon, this means future Falcons will be integrated into the global scheme. The logical replacement for the Falcon as Ford's large car in Australia would be the front-wheel-drive Taurus. 'Not so' says Ford - the hot-selling, iconic Mustang coupe is rear-wheel-drive, so the company will continue to develop rear-wheel-drive platforms and the next Falcon could share that platform with the Mustang. According to Ford Australia, with the current FG generation Falcon scheduled to run - with several upgrades and facelifts in the pipeline - for another four years and the Territory SUV slated for production until 2016, the company's future is already being mapped out and is bright. A key plank in that future is the current $230 million investment in new powertrain technologies for the Falcon - including a fuel-efficient four-cylinder engine. Rather than the first chapter in a eulogy for the Falcon, Ford's 'One Ford' program could deliver Australian buyers a new global perspective on design and a platform shared with the Mustang - that would seem to be good news for the Falcon." Shelby has already got a supercharged version of this engine: So I'm sure that the Aussies will have it for the Falcon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfeeney Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Are you guys talking about the FWD 3L V6 grocery-getter Taurus, or goes Wally have a different Taurus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris V. Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Are you guys talking about the FWD 3L V6 grocery-getter Taurus, or goes Wally have a different Taurus? We haven't had the 3 liter Turus in the US for years (though it was sold to fleets after Ford replaced it with the 500). We're talking the Duratech and Ecoboost versions that are just hitting showrooms now, available in FWD and AWD forms (much like Audis) with the top version being a 365 hp twin turbo, AWD full size car. In person, these cars have really good presence, with excellent build quality and excellent power. The TT Ecoboost has proven itself to be good to 600+ hp easily. http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/taurus/fe...eatureCategory3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted February 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Yes bfeeney, we are talking about replacing the current Falcon (with a 4.0 log six that has way more performance than the ecoboost, a double wishbone front end, control blade indpendent rear suspension, rear wheel drive, a six speed ZF tranny or TR6060 gearbag, etc) with an inferior product. The Falcon turbo engine has been around for some time and there is no way the ecoboost will take it's measure. The showroom F6 for instance is 310kW (415hp)@ 5,500 rpm and it's torque value is 565Nm from 1950-5200 rpm. This car is easily tweeked to get into the 9's down the quarter. It conspicuously out engineers and out handles the Mustang and the Taurus, but because it's not Dearborn designed it must go so that US exports can increase. Here's the FPV site http://www.fpv.com.au/index.aspx As far as the Coyote, well anything would be a better choice than the old tractor lump they have been using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfeeney Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 If Ford will keep a RWD setup (keep AWD for Subaru, Mitsubishi and cars destined for rallying) with a good engine and like you said a 6060 tranny, I might change my oppinion on Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Regardless of the partisan groups, it's generally agreed the FG Falcon turbo six is a good package and has restored some face for Ford here. Yes the Scooby and EVO awd is almost mandatory for rally, although the thrill of RWD power oversteer on the dirt is a buzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite_Deforce Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 If Ford will keep a RWD setup (keep AWD for Subaru, Mitsubishi and cars destined for rallying) with a good engine and like you said a 6060 tranny, I might change my oppinion on Ford. Why what's your current opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris V. Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Yes bfeeney, we are talking about replacing the current Falcon (with a 4.0 log six that has way more performance than the ecoboost, a double wishbone front end, control blade indpendent rear suspension, rear wheel drive, a six speed ZF tranny or TR6060 gearbag, etc) with an inferior product. Sorry, Wally, but since the replacement for both is in the 2016 timeframe, the Falcon would not be replaced with LAST decades Taurus. The discussion is that all the three cars will share a common platform, but it would be a NEW one. I don't see why a smart guy like yourself can't use at least one brain cell to figure that out. The current one's suspension is at least as sophisticated os the old Falcon. The Falcon turbo engine has been around for some time and there is no way the ecoboost will take it's measure. Sorry, again, Wally, but the new direct injection engine is barely even being stressed at it's current 365 hp output, and we've already seen 500+ hp versions running in test situations and aftermarket tuners. It also has better emissions than the Falcon unit, though admittedly, the I6 by it's very nature is a smoother engine. the old Ford 5 liter pushrod engine has been around a long while, as has the Aussie 302 Cleveland engine, but there's no way either of THEM could take the new Coyote 5.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris V. Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 If Ford will keep a RWD setup (keep AWD for Subaru, Mitsubishi and cars destined for rallying) with a good engine and like you said a 6060 tranny, I might change my oppinion on Ford. Ther'es a reason that AWD is being used on big Mercedes, BMWs and Audis, and rallye has nothing to do with it. A platoform like this could still have pure RWD as one variant 9can't see AWD on a Mustang), but still have AWD as a top option, as it is on the European sedans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfeeney Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Why what's your current opinion? Ford sucks ass because I spent 10 years in the service industry and I have found that they will design a car then go get a monkey with down syndrome to screw everything up. For example: The '98 gen. Taurus with the 3L - They put the oil filter <1" away from the power wire going to the starter, and inevitably the jackass who did the previous oil change cranked the filter down until it wouldn't move, so you need some kind of tool to get the thing off, then you slip and it archs the starter with the customer watching you thinking 'I just wanted and oil change and now there is sparks flying from my car'. The first gen. Focus - you need a beer bong to add washer fluid. A '95 gen Cougar you can't get to the right side spark plugs because of all the steel tubing. The list goes on. I guess if you never have to pop the hood, Ford is OK, If you do- God help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007DBR9 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Meh, screw Ford. Holden HSV FTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite_Deforce Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 (edited) Ford sucks ass because I spent 10 years in the service industry and I have found that they will design a car then go get a monkey with down syndrome to screw everything up. For example: The '98 gen. Taurus with the 3L - They put the oil filter <1" away from the power wire going to the starter, and inevitably the jackass who did the previous oil change cranked the filter down until it wouldn't move, so you need some kind of tool to get the thing off, then you slip and it archs the starter with the customer watching you thinking 'I just wanted and oil change and now there is sparks flying from my car'. The first gen. Focus - you need a beer bong to add washer fluid. A '95 gen Cougar you can't get to the right side spark plugs because of all the steel tubing. The list goes on. I guess if you never have to pop the hood, Ford is OK, If you do- God help you. that's because you have worked on all the shitty fords. The 3L Taurus? A 95 Cougar? The first Focus? Common. Meh, screw Ford. Holden HSV FTW idiot. Edited February 3, 2010 by Elite_Deforce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfeeney Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 that's because you have worked on all the shitty fords. The 3L Taurus? A 95 Cougar? The first Focus? Common. idiot. Well like I said in one of my first posts, If you can pop the hood and see the ground you have a good start. Technology is great but bullshit isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Meh, screw Ford. Holden HSV FTW Thatta boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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