Aston Martin Cygnet

[2007DBR9]

Im not a fan of the looks of Jaguars...

 

I always thought the E Type was an ugly car

[Chris V.]

Im not a fan of the looks of Jaguars...

 

I always thought the E Type was an ugly car

 

 

I read that. I just figured you were on state sponsored medication.

 

I grew up on cars like that. The E type is one of my top 10 designs (though it shares a spot with the D type it was developed from). My wife's father in law has had 3 of them, all '67s. the 4.2 triple carb, covered headlight Series 1.5 is the ultimate E type. I prefer the convertible, but my wife loves all of the body styles.

 

Here's the deal, if the top designers of the world, top museums of the world, basically all the top people who know what they are talking about in the world of form and design are on one side of the fence and you're on the other, you might want to think about what you're reasoning is that you're that far off of the mark. Some people say design is subjective, but the fact is, it can be taught, it can be learned, and when it comes to machinery, it's not natural and is only a learned response, unlike, say, the response to seeing a large spider crawling up your leg. if it were actually ugly, then it would not be agreed upon as beautiful by such a wide array of people who know beauty as well as such a vast number of non-professionals.

 

http://www.thedailymotor.com/29_29MGmomajag.html

 

Only car to enter the permanent exhibit at MoMA

 

http://www.moma.org/interactives/exhibitio...ies/jaguar.html

[bfeeney]

I think it's the best looking car ever.

At that time you had the Lambo Diablo, F40 and McLaren F1 which I think looks a hellova lot better than an XJ220 and except for the McLaren, much cheaper.

[Chris V.]

At that time you had the Lambo Diablo, F40 and McLaren F1 which I think looks a hellova lot better than an XJ220 and except for the McLaren, much cheaper.

 

of those, only the F40 looks better to me, and would be one of my first choices in lottery winnings cars, along with a '67 E Type, Ford GT, and Aston DBS Volante. the XJ220 is a form follows function supercar of it's era, and an absolutely sensual, organic design, rather than the brutality of the F40 and McLaren.

[bfeeney]

of those, only the F40 looks better to me, and would be one of my first choices in lottery winnings cars, along with a '67 E Type, Ford GT, and Aston DBS Volante. the XJ220 is a form follows function supercar of it's era, and an absolutely sensual, organic design, rather than the brutality of the F40 and McLaren.

I would want a real GT40 instead of a GT because not many people could say they have a 60's GT40, plus I bet a real one is worth atleast a couple million.

[Elite_Deforce]

No, Jag has never been GM owned. Ford bought jaguar in 1990, 2 years before the XJ220 went into production, but 2 years AFTER it had been shown to the public for the first time and one year after production had been announced and a price set.

 

Boring? Absotely stunning:

 

 

The original V12 was Tom Walkinshaw's Le Mans winning V12, but it ended up not being suitable for a road car by the time Ford bought Jaguar. Ford paid to make sure the car was produceable and functional, but becausee of that the cost went up. Specualtors had been putting money down on the cars before Ford bought Jag, but with the global recession in '91, most of teh specualtor money dried up. Hell, every supercar manufacturer had it rough at that time. I had been hired as a consultant/designer on one supercar project that got as far as venture capital meetings when the recession hit. Ended up busting the company.

 

 

that sketch was from '89

Wasnt the V6 ford sourced?

[Chris V.]

Wasnt the V6 ford sourced?

 

No. it was from Tom Walkinshaw Racing and it was used in the XJR10/XJR11 and the Austin Group B WRC car. the engine was designed by David Wood back in the '80s for Rover (though it did borrow some parts and geometry form the Ford Cosworth DFV F1 engine), but when the Group B project ended in '87, all the tooling was sold to Walkinshaw.

 

The follow up to the XJR11, the XJR14, used a variation of the 3.5 litre Ford HB V8 Formula One powerplant. Some people think that this was the connection with the Ford engine, but the Ford was a normally aspirated V8 and not used in the XJ220 (though it could ahve been a good engine, making 650 hp in detuned form).

[Elite_Deforce]

No. it was from Tom Walkinshaw Racing and it was used in the XJR10/XJR11 and the Austin Group B WRC car. the engine was designed by David Wood back in the '80s for Rover (though it did borrow some parts and geometry form the Ford Cosworth DFV F1 engine), but when the Group B project ended in '87, all the tooling was sold to Walkinshaw.

 

The follow up to the XJR11, the XJR14, used a variation of the 3.5 litre Ford HB V8 Formula One powerplant. Some people think that this was the connection with the Ford engine, but the Ford was a normally aspirated V8 and not used in the XJ220 (though it could ahve been a good engine, making 650 hp in detuned form).

Ah yes.

[dr. joint]

Its not everyday that I learn cool things about great supercars. Thanks, Cris.

 

Edit: I remember playing Gran Turismo 2 on the original Playstation and giggled like a fertile schoolgirl when I won the XJ220 as a prize on simulation mode. That was cool.

Edited February 3, 2010 by dr. joint

[bfeeney]

No. it was from Tom Walkinshaw Racing and it was used in the XJR10/XJR11 and the Austin Group B WRC car. the engine was designed by David Wood back in the '80s for Rover (though it did borrow some parts and geometry form the Ford Cosworth DFV F1 engine), but when the Group B project ended in '87, all the tooling was sold to Walkinshaw.

 

The follow up to the XJR11, the XJR14, used a variation of the 3.5 litre Ford HB V8 Formula One powerplant. Some people think that this was the connection with the Ford engine, but the Ford was a normally aspirated V8 and not used in the XJ220 (though it could ahve been a good engine, making 650 hp in detuned form).

How do you know all this? Do you cheat and use Wiki or do you really know your stuff?

[Jammo]

How do you know all this? Do you cheat and use Wiki or do you really know your stuff?

I knew abit of what he was saying (mainly because i love motor racing, and Tom Walkinshaw Racing-or TWR for short have such a reputation etc, very experienced in motorsports, you name it, he's probably done it!)

Edited February 3, 2010 by Jammo

[Elite_Deforce]

How do you know all this? Do you cheat and use Wiki or do you really know your stuff?

I'm willing to bet he's legit. You don't do a job on an E38 that well and not know your shit.

[bfeeney]

OK. Then he's damn good

[Chris V.]

How do you know all this? Do you cheat and use Wiki or do you really know your stuff?

 

For the most part, I do know my stuff, 'cause this is the one area in life that I'm passionate about, and have been since I could talk. I grew up on watching the original GT40s racing, and my dad building model cars when I was 3-5 years old back in the '60s. I've had magazines about every genre, from the '50s to the present, and have a LOT of reference material on hand when I'm at home. In this case, I do like Jaguars, have owned a few, and have studied them extensively. Occasionally I'll go back to some of my reference material to refresh my memory, however, as there's no way to remember it all about every car. I'll occasionally use Wiki to verify, but it's wrong as often as it's right, and I usually end up spending time trying to verify some claim or another on that site.

[bfeeney]

For the most part, I do know my stuff, 'cause this is the one area in life that I'm passionate about, and have been since I could talk. I grew up on watching the original GT40s racing, and my dad building model cars when I was 3-5 years old back in the '60s. I've had magazines about every genre, from the '50s to the present, and have a LOT of reference material on hand when I'm at home. In this case, I do like Jaguars, have owned a few, and have studied them extensively. Occasionally I'll go back to some of my reference material to refresh my memory, however, as there's no way to remember it all about every car. I'll occasionally use Wiki to verify, but it's wrong as often as it's right, and I usually end up spending time trying to verify some claim or another on that site.

I REALLY wished I was old enough in the 60's (and alive ) That's when all the cool collector muscle cars came around and when people where figuring out intakes, exhaust, heads, the whole thing by trial & error. But more than that, the cars easily had 400hp.