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I, for one (of many I'm sure...), can't see TS1 being remotely smart. I mean, it's cool that you realize you act like an idiot, because if you didn't I'd feel really, really sorry for you. But what intelligent person gets their kicks off getting annihalated in any form of automotive debate, of being reminded of their stupidity repeatedly and of looking stupid? Do you not have hobbies, TS1? Is this your only vehicle for the attention you so dearly crave? Do you think that you'll somehow get more out of the supercars experience if you act like a dumbfuck and get laughed at and made fun of?

 

Yes, there are plenty of other places to talk about cars on the internet, and I'm sure there's many that would cater to half-witted, biased import and BMW fanatics who act like asses and can't argue. And while I can't personally force you to go to one of those places, I have no clue on God's green earth why you don't move your retarded *** there and discover how blissful ignorance truly is...

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a little exaggeration??

 

I like to talk about cars...thats all..

 

OH YES...and btw...consumer reports just did their 2001 cars issue and lo and behold..the american cars, as usual, have the crap reliability they are famous for...

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We all know how relyable consumer reports is.

 

 

I like how they used to say the Mitsu eclipse is better than the eagle talon, and how the talon has problems. They are the exact same car, aside from different badging. I don't put much faith in consumer reports. I believe what I see. What I see are all kinds of cars breaking down, not just american.

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They rated the Mystique higher than the Contour. Then there was their infamous Talon/Eclipse review. They have such an obvious bias to Japanese cars, Toyota in particular, it's not even funny. Further, what they like is exactly what I don't. They complain regularly about such horrible things as "low driving position" and "road feel." Uh, hello? Those are two of the things I want in a car. If I was going by that trash mag's advice, I would be driving an Echo. Fortunately, I can tell that they have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to cars.

 

That you use that rag as support shows how stupid you are, ts1. Not that we didn't know before, but... call it a re-affirmation of the obvious.

 

EDIT: Another point, what kind of moron would compare the Excursion and the Suburban with the X5 and the ML430?

 

The answer: Consumer Reports!

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But you know what, ts1? Let's go with it. My parents haven't gotten the 2001 yet, but we have the 2000. Considering that they usually don't even update half or more of the cars from year to year, I don't think there'll be too much of a problem.

 

Reliability (in no particular order)

Jeep Grand Cherokee: above average or excellent in all but one category, which was average.

Jeep Wrangler: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Suburban: Above average or excellent in all categories.

GMC Sierra: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Yukon: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Ford Windstar: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Ranger: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Taurus: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Mustang: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

F-150: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Crown Victoria: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Explorer: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Expedition: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Contour: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Dodge Stratus: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Dodge Ram: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Dodge Intrepid: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Grand Caravan: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Durango: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Dakota: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Chevy Lumina: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Corvette: Above average or excellent in all categories but two, which were average.

Cavalier: Above average or excellent in all categories but two, which were average.

Cadillac DeVille: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Buick LeSabre: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Lincoln Continental: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Navigator: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Town Car: Above average or excellent in all categories but two, which were average.

THE FORD FUCKING ESCORT: Excellent or above average in ALL categories.

 

The list goes on. Are we reading two very different Consumer Reports? Or are you just an idiot who pulls stuff out of his *** and then tries to pass it off as fact? God, not even Consumer Reports can give you any back-up. You're pretty pathetic, ts1.

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Kurenai, I don't know where that list of yours came from but let me tell you this:

 

*TüV-report (german biggest quality control lable):

 

Most American cars score below average...

 

* J.D Power report:

 

Most American cars score below average...

 

 

I'm not defending TS1 in any way, but I don't know where your list came from, my sources tell me the American companies aren't exactly great on the reliability....(and the Focus is european).

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You don't know where my list came from? Uh, gee, I only said it in the very first line of my post. Ts1 wanted to use CR, I used CR. It's a trash mag, but it was his decision to use it.

 

Reliability reports like that are always somewhat faulty by their very nature.

 

And the last JD Power reliability list I read, VW was 4th from the BOTTOM. Above only Isuzu, Daewoo, and Kia. Even Hyundai beat it. Ford placed above the average, and I don't recall where GM and Chrysler landed. But the point: which manufacturers were in the bottom 5? The Korean, a Japanese, and a German manufacturer.

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lol... funny stuff :)

 

 

I think that any product reliability test that evaluates current products is fautly by its' very nature. The true test comes years down the road. But that's just me, and I don't drive cars that are fewer than 10 years old very regularily...

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Originally posted by Kurenai

Reliability (in no particular order)

Jeep Grand Cherokee: above average or excellent in all but one category, which was average.

Jeep Wrangler: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Suburban: Above average or excellent in all categories.

GMC Sierra: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Yukon: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Ford Windstar: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Ranger: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Taurus: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Mustang: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

F-150: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Crown Victoria: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Explorer: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Expedition: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Contour: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Dodge Stratus: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Dodge Ram: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Dodge Intrepid: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Grand Caravan: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Durango: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Dakota: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Chevy Lumina: Above average or excellent in all categories.

Corvette: Above average or excellent in all categories but two, which were average.

Cavalier: Above average or excellent in all categories but two, which were average.

Cadillac DeVille: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Buick LeSabre: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Lincoln Continental: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Navigator: Above average or excellent in all categories but one, which was average.

Town Car: Above average or excellent in all categories but two, which were average.

THE FORD FUCKING ESCORT: Excellent or above average in ALL categories.

 

The list goes on. Are we reading two very different Consumer Reports? Or are you just an idiot who pulls stuff out of his *** and then tries to pass it off as fact? God, not even Consumer Reports can give you any back-up. You're pretty pathetic, ts1.

 

Oh you were wrong on that one...

 

Firstly...i would like to ask you where i could find any other reliability specs on a wide range of cars...other magazines simply don't offer this...CR happens to have it for almost every common car on the roads today...and even better..the statistics are widely based on the CONSUMERS (did you know that was why they called it CR?? or were you too stupid to realize??)

 

Ok...here's some reliability stats from the new CR..

 

Jeep Grand Cherokee-poor

Jeep Wrangler: poor

Suburban: medium

GMC Sierra: medium

Yukon: 2nd to worst

Ford Wimpstar: poor

Ranger: medium

Taurus: medium

Mustang: medium

F-150: medium

Crown Victoria: medium

Explorer: N/A

Expedition: medium

Contour: not there??

Dodge Stratus: N/A

Dodge Ram: 2nd to worst

Dodge Intrepid: medium

Grand Caravan: n/A

Durango: 2nd to worst

Dakota: 2nd to worst

Chevy Lumina: not there??

Corvette: POOR POOR POOP

Cavalier: poor

Cadillac DeVille:2nd to worst

Buick LeSabre: medium

Lincoln Continental: 2nd to BEST!!!

Navigator: 2nd to worst

Town Car: medium

THE FORD FUCKING ESCORT:not there??

 

And kurenai...i wrote these down according to the shaded/not shaded (red or black) dot that there was

right next to the picture of the car (in the 2001 model section)...GUESS WHAT YOU IGNORANT CACA HEAD??? THE ONLY AMERICAN CAR OUT OF YOUR LIST THAT APPEARED TO HAVE GOOD RELIABILITY WAS THE LINCOLN CONTINENTAL. THAT'S IT!!!!!!!..

 

So i guess i'm not the one pulling **** out of my ***...your data, as far as i can see, was a stupid load of false bullcrap...you diesel loving, cheap-beer drinking, bastard!!!

 

So go screw yourself...because you can't dispute the facts!!!

 

(oh man..that felt good...)

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