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[greatwhiteshark000]

transmissions and cranks can be replaced style can't.

[greatwhiteshark000]

check out this kick ass interior:

http://www.auto-salo.../Cars/Zonda.htm

I think its gorgeous, and should put it in my next car either trans-am or 3000GT. The trans am is supposed to have bland interior but if I copy the Zagandi Pogana or S7 would be amazing? I know you care mainly about mods, but I want a supercar in and out for my own:)

[COUNTACH]

GWS, My VR4 doesnt say I'm pretty take my picture After I lowered it put in the loud exhaust, dumped the Cats, put the 99 VR4 wing on it & some bad looking driving lights, my VR4 says to 355s & Porsches, I AM GOING TO KICK YOUR ASS all the way back to europe

if u want a supercar get the VR4, if u want a muscle car get the pontiac. They have very similair interior room although the VR4 is higher quality

[ShamanWS6]

My only addition to this conversation is that there are 700 rear wheel horsepower Trans Ams out there. Lots of them. I've seen a 1300 rear wheel horsepower Camaro (Firebird in Chevy garb) that looks like a typical home mechanic car... lowered, big tires, etc... when in reality it's a tube-framed car with a nitrous-injected big-block motor. It runs sixes and sevens in the 1/4 mile. It even has IRS.

Eventually that little Mitsu motor will run out of luck. The car I just described puts down nearly 800hp to the wheels when it's not on nitrous.

YMMV.

[COUNTACH]

Shaman, heres a ? for u? Which will launch harder a 2WD 800hp pontiac or an AWD 700hp VR4? Power isnt everything, The VR4 undoubdetly will have better traction than the Fbird, so it just may beat it. Of course a 5 liter engine will make more power & last longer than a twin turbo 3 liter.
I think around a road course though a racing VR4 VS a racing Fbird, the VR4s better suspension & AWD will be a big advantage

[greatwhiteshark000]

Which will survive potholes and snow and rain better a trans-am or a vr4?

Countach as long as your cars says something like that everything is good . How do you tell the difference between the SL and Vr-4 does it have the badging?

[greatwhiteshark000]

Shaman the key thing is price $$ as well, and ease of mods so tell how to get it to 600bhp rough estimate. I already saw a vr-4 staged car for 10,000$ with probably 3,000$ in labor? does that sound right for labor predictions?

[Blak94GSX]

Well clearly if you are buying a car that you are going to modify, the 3000GT is miles ahead of the Fbody. If you are going to leave it stock, and don't live in a poor weather area, then just get the Fbody.

Depends on your ultimate goal. If it is for drag race use only and you want to go 7s, and have an unlimited budget, then get the Fbody. Though I doubt anybody would buy a new car for this purpose...

If you want 450-500HP streetable power and herculean grip, for cheap, then the 3000GT is the obvious choice.

[COUNTACH]

difference in VR4 & SL models is in the wing, wheels, & badges.
why dont u go on 3si.org & ask some local NYC guys to show u around there cars?
AWD is THE way to go in NE winters

[COUNTACH]

Also ALL VR4s r manual trans whereas I would bet that the majority of F bodies r autos, & that auto box is AWFUL

[COUNTACH]

i had an auto trans in my 89 pontiac, for road racing its absolutely horrid. I took it to thunderhill once, it absolutely took the spirit out of the car. since then Ive traded it for a richmond 6 speed

[NipponDSM]

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Originally posted by greatwhiteshark000
transmissions and cranks can be replaced style can't.

Style is purely opinion, broken trannies and cranks cost a pretty good penny.........

How many trannies and cranks you gonna break and replace before you either go bankrupt or get truly pissed?

BTW, the crank problem is specific to the late generation eclipses and the tranny problem is specific to 1st gen TELs (and 3KGT/Stealths, I've been told). Every make of car will have its problems...that's a gaurantee. I'm sure many 3KGT owners haven't had any probs with their trannies but I mentioned the tranny and crank probs to elaborate on Mitsu's parts problems when it comes to quality. Don't even get me started on customer service issues (I'm sure some of you already read in the paper or heard on TV news this summer about Mitsu's customer service "scam" where they screwed customers during the last 20 years or so.....).

I don't have a problem with Mitsu.....I own a Mitsu product myself, but if it came down to making a choice between an F-body and a 3KGT, I'd have to own an F-body. People here keep mentioning they owned 80s TAs. The latest model TAs and Camaros are a very far cry from those F-bodies of yesteryear. A ton more power and better handling to boot....all that and they still use OHC engines and live rear axles. They also pull hard as hell beyond at 3-digit speeds. Automatic? I've driven an auto'd 98 and it still seemed quickfast....solid, quick, snappy shifts. I haven't driven a 3KGT, but 300+ lb/ft of torque down low does serious wonders, even in an automatic.

Those people that squawk about AWD and traction in bad weather, AWD means nothing if you don't have snow tires. All-season tires are crap, even on an AWD car. AWD cars, even with snow tires, won't do well if the snow is deep and if there is lots of ice. I've lived in VA and had my AWD in the Blizzard of 1996. I was stranded at home like most of the people who didn't own SUVs. Also, a 300+ HP AWD car won't react like most people expect in the rain either. IMO, it totally depends on what car it is and what HP level it was at in its stock configuration. A 320HP 3KGT shouldn't have a problem, provided you aren't launching at 5K from stoplight to stoplight. A highly modded Eclipse may have problems. I've lit the tires a few times by accident in the wet and I'm nowhere close to being highly modded.

I'm just putting out a few words....my experiences. Of course, there will be a few of you out there that may contrast. Let's hear it! )

Ron S.

[Edited by NipponDSM on 11-03-2000 at 09:17 AM]

[ShamanWS6]

My 500hp Firebird doesn't have traction problems. The only time I have trouble is with old tires and this cold weather.

I worked out that I drove it hard enough this year to go to redline at WOT 8,000 times minimum, and a lot of that was with bad gas in the lower states (pinging! ugh!). Reliable enough for you?

The VR4 is a nice car, but on a road course they suck. I know several people that either have them or did have them, and they all say the same thing - heavy, understeering pigs that no amount of playing without a complete strip-job could really cure. Even a stripped VR4 is heavy.

I don't want a car with no interior and no stereo.

[greatwhiteshark000]

I own the Eclipse GT 2000, and so far Mitsubishi hasn't gave me to much trouble, but I could imagine what they will charge me for every scratch I had on the car during the lease. I don't think I am gonna lease a car anymore.

Anyways, there is a 3000GT SL that goes to my gym and it says SL on the back, but I have never been in a 3000GT. Maybe I will ask that guy for a ride, even though my car is faster.